Sauble Residents - Give your head a shake!
Sauble residents give your heads a shake! How can you vote for anyone who suggests a small water and sewer treatment system for your area. Think about the key question – WHERE?
This is not a well thought out platform for this election. Oh, and I pity the poor unfortunate ratepayers that will live beside (or downwind) of the treatment facility. Get ready to form a NIMBY group to oppose the decision.
Below is the question I have just emailed to Gwen through her website. I will post her reply.
“Gwen, you say in print that you will support "a small stand-alone water and wastewater system for the downtown core of Sauble Beach."
Where would this wastewater treatment plant be located?
Sewage flows downhill, towards the water. You cannot put a treatment plant at the water's edge, nor on Native Land. Try expropriating land and see what happens. I fear you are setting up for a huge NIMBY fight.
So, an answer is required if you are going to continue to support this small system. Better warn the ratepayers of what is to come.
I would like your opinion on what land (hopefully that the Town owns) that your small sewage system will be located.
I look forward to your reply.â€
This is a very bad idea, in my opinion.





Wastewater Treatment Plant Location Was Selected In 2006
I don't know why anyone would bring such uninformed comment to this site. Since you do not own property or a business in Sauble Beach or Hepworth it smacks of outside influence.
It is kind of like Jaymore telling us Sauble folk in the Sun Times we are short sighted because we don't want the monster water and sewer system. I hear only 4 hands were raised at the school today in response to the question, "Who would support Water&Sewer no matter what the cost?" It is obviously too late for you to jump in now.
This year Henderson Paddon completed an addendum to the water and sewer environmental assessment to design and locate the Sauble Beach and Hepworth wastewater treatment plant. That is the only location that has ever been selected for a treatment plant, large or small. It has really been no secret since 2001. It could be built to the scale required. You should also know that alternatives were evaluated that could be suitable for a small communal waste treatment system. You should also know that work was focused on the large system not a small one. It would be a speculation to suggest a location for a small system at this time so in asking Gwen Gilbert for that information you look like you were prompted to be a troublemaking mouthpiece. But you are not needed.
We already have our own resident water and sewer mouthpiece who actually LIVES here at Sauble Beach.
http://bubbiebubinson.blogspot.com/
By the way the location selected is on the south side of the Sauble River just a little east of the D Line. If it was ever built residents would nose it out when the wind blows in the right direction.
The design dumps treated wastewater from lagoons directly into the Sauble River. In round numbers it is to be rated for about 12,000 cu metres/day and at the same time recorded late summer flow over the Sauble Falls can be well less than 1 cu metre/sec of water. That is 60,000 cu metres/day. It does not make any sense. There are already signs that the Sauble River is carrying too high a nutrient load and you can see algae growth along the beach shore if the conditions are right. Ninety percent of the organic and nutrient load on the beach comes from the Sauble River. The nutrient load carried in the river needs to be reduced not added to. Also if there ever was a beach closing from E. coli colony counts it would be the river you would blame. Beach drain counts are known and have been stable at background levels for decades. As well there is an inspection program coming which is aimed at groundwater protection.
The Chamber of Commerce types have never understood that spending $80 million would never make a significant impact on beach water quality. The whole pipeline thing was always motivated by the dream of higher profit for members of the business community.
There is a wastewater treatment plant in Tara on the Sauble and that will be the last one ever located directly on the Sauble River. The developers have found a gold mine there because of the excess capacity of that plant. The lessons will not be lost on us here at Sauble
Unfortunately for the business community they can only control about 500 votes. That is why you see two new candidates in Hepworth. It is all about the strategy of getting control of Council.
That's why I LOVE this website
Thanks, Dodge, for the seasoned and serious, and timely response, and sharing some really good solid-reference data with the rest of us Peninsulars; this is the real reason I wanted to create this open community journal, to set records straight by telling our story, not some revisionist abbreviation.
Thanks also for showing us how, on a community journal, there is no such thing as a bad question or a trouble trolling post, because no matter what it is, no matter what someone may innocently or maliciously assert, it can always serve as the springboard for informative and vital discussion.
One might, were one moved so to do so and of the mind it might do any good, compare this state of affairs to now two successive issues of a certain community print-bulletin which has twice run two-page 'fair and balanced' candidate Q&A transcripts, curiously omitting not one, but all candidates with development-contrarian views. Were it a blog, were it and its website part of an open and inclusive READ/WRITE Internet, I would wager there'd be at least a few comments tagged on that post! :)
Trouble Making MouthpieceS
There were more than one at the Sauble
School last Saturday. It seems to me that some
of the Sauble residents need to attend a few
of the Council Meetings and "Cow" meetings
every other week to learn just HOW skewed is the
reasoning of not only the Mayor, but John Close
Mark WunderLICK,AND others when it comes to
financial stewardship of our money. Thank God
for both Gwen Gilbert and Pat Varley for trying
to reason with the others, and fighing for
fiscal responsibility as well as a Code of Ethics
Things to remember about political criticism
ad hominem as a logical argument is most often counter-productive as it serves as an easy straw-dog that lets your opposition discredit the whole of your argument. That's one good rule of debate. Another, one partiuclar to this medium of Internet debate, is that the Internet never forgets, ever. Even long after this website has become just a memory, the words you use here will be recorded in the archive.org, cached by Google, folded into countless websites and rss subscriber archives, and that means choose your words wisely lest they come back to bite you ten, fifteen, twenty years from now.
I only mention this because "skewed reasoning" is itself an attempt to skew reason unless it is backed up with some sort of citation of tangible example, and even then I'm not precisely sure what the term is supposed to convey given that cognitive science know regularly reports on how everyone must fall prey to thier neurological skew in all their attempts at reason.
But that is another post for a different blog :)
Suffice it here to say that I'm not going to stop you from ranting because the karma you weave by it will be a far better teacher, but what I will do is to point you at this excellent page collecting Logical Fallacies and emplore you to take it all to heart, and express my sincere wish of encouragement that those who would deconstruct political rhetoric might labour to do so within the framework of those universal time-tested techniques. Lord knows, if we want propaganda and rhetoric we have media enough for that; wouldn't it be so nice if, as is so very often the case, this new media channel could rise above that and reach for something new and better.
Finally, a quote, yes, an appeal to authority, but nonetheless I think good solid Irish advice to take to heart:
Politics is a sport, folks. Have fun, but play fair and play nice :)
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Uhm Gary aren't we East of the D line and South of the Sauble river???
And I think I had better step back, I realy don't want to disagree with anyone unless I think I am right , but I have been through the unfortunate process of talking to an "Anti" and felt there was some validity in a plan to get water and sewers here and found the term "loud minority" term was quite true in this case anyway. When I see the term "Mouthpiece" in describing people who disagree I think I will sit in this one out a relax and enjoy my machine here
So carry on and good luck in your cause
Ground Zero
Aye there Tanner, a good eye on that one; yes indeedy when we talk about not in our backyard we, meaning 'they' are indeed talking about our backyard. I'm sure there's a thousand reasons why specifically there, and I don't want to think, "Because 'nobody' will notice it," but if it were immanent, I think I would rather have bought my brooding grounds somewheres elsewheres, like maybe west of the D, and way far away.
But it's not so bad I suppose. Lots of people live in the summertime downwind of these things. Don't they? I'm sure I've seen "Downwind of a leaky water treatment plant" listed in the feature spec of choice real estate somewhere in my travels. Only stands to reason, right? That it is a 'feature' I mean.