South Bruce Peninsular - sore losers now in the sun times and out in the world - Comments

WHAT HAPPENED?

Dan O. — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:55:18 -0400

What happened at the council meeting? Did any resolutions get passed?

Dan O.

Higher may not be better

Dan O. — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:23:03 -0400

The more money invested the harder it is to stop the ball rolling.

Is council voting on spending money before an environmental assessment has been completed? Can they do that with outstanding objections?

Some people really want a Wasaga Beach West over here.

If the line doesn't get used could they at least build it on a slope for use as a water slide? Definitely Guinness World Book.

Dan O.

The Number Will Be Out At Tonight's Council

Dodge — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:17:29 -0400

Let's just call it a lucky guess anyway it still seems high. The correct number will be given at tonight's Council meeting and it should be a fun night. Hope some people can go and set up a cheering section. Councilor Wunderlich is slated to chair the 15 minutes of fame for public comment according to the minutes on the Town site. Perhaps someone will ask him which developer he represents or else why did he propose this?

high cost

mxyzptlk — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:43:36 -0400

hi dodge, where did you get the number? the higher the better as far as i am concerned since it should make it harder to justify the dead pipe.
kltpzyxm

Cost Is $500/foot

Dodge — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:40:36 -0400

Seems high but the cost of running dead pipe from Hepworth to Sauble Beach is $500 per foot or $21,000,000 for 8 miles. To add to this there is talk that someone might suggest that since they are already adding new service to the south end of Wiarton they might as well run the water line on down to Hepworth. Debentures anyone?

Do you suppose anyone has thought of hooking them together?

trends

mxyzptlk — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:51:34 -0400

hi dan o, my purpose for the chart was to show voting patterns, regardless of the issue. what they were voting on was irrelavent for the purpose of my chart. for interest sake, i just opened each of the council minutes available on the sbp web site in reverse chronological order searching for 'recorded vote'. for the interested reader it should be pretty easy to find the voting records matching the chart. what really caught my eye was how often wunderlich does not vote with the gang of four. i was most interested in harron as she is my representative. it is pretty clear to me now that she is part of the old guard no matter how much she tries to deny it when confronted.
kltpzyxm

kltpzyxm

Dan O. — Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:05:04 -0400

Good chart for overall voting patterns. Is it possible to add a titlebar which lists what the issues were?

Do all SBP constituents know what council is voting for? The pipeline, water and sewage treatment must all be approved by council for the costs to be attributed to the ratepayers that will obtain the service. Otherwise the entire town will pay for a pipeline that may never be activated. Do ratepayers in Wiarton, Oliphant, Mar agree to this payment of millions of dollars?

I think everyone needs to voice their opinion and call their councillor on the installation resolution.

Dan O.

Voting

ollie — Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:04:47 -0400

Good point - the famous 5 are joined at the hip on most votes. ! It is especially interesting in Council chambers watching the body language prior to a vote. Especially when one asks for a "recorded" vote - usually one of the famous 5 will ask for it in a "reverse" order. That means Markie goes first and then his dweebs follow suit. That's why it is so important for us to be present at Council meetings. Monday nights council meeting should prove to especially interesting. Let's fill the gallery!

Maybe by your posting here it will get more people interested in what has been going on far too long. I'm sure most people don't read the minutes that are posted on the website.

how they voted

mxyzptlk — Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:14:47 -0400

i reviewed all the 2007 council minutes available on the sbp web site. the picture below is a summary of the recorded votes. it is quite evident that harron, hoath, kerr, and lamont almost always vote the same regardless of the issue. i leave it to you to draw your own conclusions.

kltpzyxm

RE: Oh My!

ollie — Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:10:03 -0400

Are you implying we should not be posting anything about our councilors on this website?

Oh my

wayne tanner — Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:24:07 -0400

Now I aint sure of the how things are done on the web. But I remeber how I had to be careful doing Phone interviews for radio...
All I can say is when you phone someone I hope you have that recording you hear all the time
" Your call will be rcorded to assure quality assurance".
In real speak it means, "watch what you say to me because this conversation is being recorded you, it will be used later somewhere down the line.

the council puppets

beendere — Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:14:51 -0400

All this shows that we have a bunch of puppets sitting round that table..they have been brainwashed by the shadow council and can only spout the same old same old..if Harron really said the water and sewer pipeline from Wiarton..she is really out to lunch...in the EA that has timed out and is need of updating..it is water pipeline from Wiarton and wastewater treatment locally or from Sauble Beach to Hepworth...do you think that maybe she doesn't know the real issues or does her direct line to Noble or Close not work anymore????
This old guard needs to be challenged and by calling one on one it does for naught..she or the other wonders(Wunderlich, Hoath, Kerr, Lamont) can lie their way out of anything....it is only at council that we can challenge them and we need to do it more often,..the research and thought that should go into their decisions is obviously missing..They are in charge of a $13 million dollar corporation and they operate like a cheap sideshow

Yvonne Harron

ollie — Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:46:00 -0400

You probably had her rattled as my take is she doesn't like to be confronted with any issue. Personally, I don't think she votes her own conscience I think she is still intimidated by the previous mayor. We should all make a point of being at as many CoW and Council meetings as possible and let them all know we are not going to take this crap anymore and make sure they know this either by talking to them in person or calling them on a regular basis. It is amazing how naive they think the constituents are....little do they know!
Council Meeting Monday at 7:00.

Yvonne Harron

mxyzptlk — Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:14:04 -0400

well, i called yvonne and asked her about the item i found in the minutes. her reply was that she will never vote for a water sewer pipeline between wiarton and hepworth. i asked why they were wasting time continuing to pursue placement of pipes in the ground. she said she gets just as many calls pro water/sewer as she does against (i would like to know the real statistics). she said it is councils responsibility to at least examine the costs because it would be irresponsible to not at least find out the cost. i asked what she would do if the costs were considered to be reasonable but she skirted the question. the part of our conversation that really got me going was when she said ten years from now we dont know what will be going on but that wether we like it or not there will eventually be a pipeline. my reply to her was that as long as i am able i will do whatever i can to prevent that from happening. she and other councillors seem to have conceded to the idea of a pipeline at some point in the future. i asked about discussing with the Saugeen Nation the possibility of extending their service from french bay to sauble. she said the natives dont want to work with the municipality .. i dont blame them really. i asked why our septic bylaws are not being enforced ... no money was the reply to which i responded the $250,000 paid to power budd would have paid a lot of septic inspectors. please, please call your representative and tell them what you think and take them to task with their answers. we must put an end to this madness. my next exercise will be to create a grid of this councils recorded votes to see how they line up and i told yvonne that she is starting to be painted with the same brush as wunderlich and crew. too bad i didnt have any other choice at election time except duplicitous mockler.
kltpzyxm

There Is No Current Environmental Assessment

Dodge — Sat, 14 Jul 2007 01:16:00 -0400

A lot of wishful thinking on Wunderlich's part. I am sure this will go against him in 2010 if he runs.

Interesting bit of Council minutes. First there is no current Environmental Assessment and the CAO should have made that clear right off. It expired in June 2006 and has not been renewed. Over a year has passed and Henderson Padden has not moved forward with this and H-P (under Council direction) is now moving in a direction to change the focus. The possibility of renewing the EA is almost nil unless the focus is changed to a small Sauble waste treatment system that is cost managable. The ill fated 2006 addendendum to renew ran into some conceptual problems......

If you look at the photo of Sauble Falls on page 46 of the locally available tourism promo magazine "The Beautiful Bruce Peninsula" you will fully understand the reasons why dumping treated effluent into the Sauble River above the falls during peak summmer utilization periods seems like such a dumb idea.

Any money paid for 8 miles of large diameter forcemain between Hepworth and Sauble Beach would be risk money with poor odds of getting any return for the money spent. This gamble is certain to fail without a valid complete EA that covers this section of trunk line and that EA does not exist. One of the things each Councillor has a responsibility for is not to take risks with the funds they are entrusted to manage. They cannot gamble with public money. Wunderlich and Harron are well aware of these basic principles of good government. They choose to ignore them.

My conclusion is it is just more non productive time wasting and grandstanding only this time the non productive time has spread to staff. CAO has been authorized to spend money for estimates and he could not provide simple information about the status of the EA or what it covered. CAO does not demonstrate a comprehensive knowledge of the EA process in his comment and in the past he has not taken much interest, preferring to leave matters to MPW Jones who is no longer on staff. Can we expect the CAO to be leaving soon also? A more informed CAO would have reigned this in before it got beyond the 30 second mark in discussion.

sore losers now in the sun times and out in the world

beendere — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:36:47 -0400

So now the Sun Times is running more ink on this subject....interesting to say the least. If all these councillors(the fab 4....Wunderlich, Hoath, Harron and Lamont..kerrr was off sick))who voted for the audit are sure that the mayor will be validated..then why the audit? If they had taken time to review the input that these two losers had submitted they could have had the mayor file an addendum for the in kind donation(a couple of hundred dollars at the best) and rejected the rest as not based in fact...but no dont do your job....hire an accountant at $100 per hour to come back and tell you the same thing but cost the ratepayers a lot of money.. I sure hope that when the dust settles these two losers are sent a bill for the work....not our tax dollars..and apologies all around