South Bruce Peninsular - Paid Parking at Sauble? - Comments

Imagine Sidewalks Curbs and Streetlights

Dodge — Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:18:15 -0400

If you go along with the idea that things are not just perfect with the parking system we have now at Sauble Beach you will realize that the Town has been proposing a one way traffic solution on Lakeshore and Second Ave for a reason.

Pedestrian and traffic safety standards can only be met with a complete road redesign and that redesign would have to come if we moved to a one way street system. There are municipal standards that will have to be applied.

This scenario is not a good fit with residents who have property in the area. The character of the community would be much changed.

Yet in spite of the fact tourist trafic seems lower this summer we are paying $130,00 a year for a tourism promotion officer. That requires about $275,00 or property taxes on 90 homes. Also each year we are spending $250,000 net after parking profits on beach maintenance. The direction the Town is taking seems to be to use property tax revenue to try and promote the beach and flood it with tourist traffic. It could happen in the future that we will be told we need street improvements to handle traffic. (at our expense of course)

This is Second Ave looking north between 5th and 6th about 1952. The following picture is a 2006 view. You will see the community is much changed yet there is a certain community character to both pictures. Sometimes it takes a picture to see what we should learn from history. Hint: the more distant utility pole in the 2006 picture is in the same position as the one in the earlier picture.

What we can learn from the history is that, what we take for granted today might be gone tomorrow. We may not even notice what we lose. A lot can change in the next 10 years. Imagine wide streets, sidewalks, curbs parking meters and no more mailboxes. Imagine yourself paying for this.

The obvious way to slow down the rate of change and preserve what we have is to stop promoting Sauble Beach as a destination. However if we keep an economic development officer on staff we may get that which we do not want. Other municipalities just give a little money to Bruce County for tourist promo but we have a penchant to waste money here. There is an election coming, be careful who you vote for. There is more afoot than you might see on the surface. Can we learn what can happen from a little history?

More On Parking From Mark

Dodge — Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:35:53 -0400

Item from todays Owen Sound Radio News. "Washrooms Not A Big Hit"
"Councillor Mark Wunderlich says some of the toilets are broken, and backflow is gushing out onto the floors at the more well-used public washrooms at Sauble Beach.
Wunderlich says the problem is worst on the weekends -- and he says tourists as well as local residents are complaining.

He says in both the ladies' and mens' facilities toilets are not only left in disgusting states -- some of the handles are broken because people use their feet to flush them, to avoid touching

Wunderlich says council should hire extra staff to clean up the facilities -- and use money that comes in from the paid parking along the beach."

Poor Mark.

He still hasn't realized the parking program operates at a loss when applied against the cost of beach maintenance and any additional items such as more contract staff come out of the Town budget.

If there is backflow as he says then is this sending sewage into the lake? Most likely the root cause for the toilets being plugged and damaged is vandalism. Mark knows full well they are all on holding tanks and these same tanks get emptied on schedule. What is his game here? Is he trying to hide the real problem?

Saw some people carrying a street sign down Sixth Street that had been pulled out of the ground the night before. Are they pulling out these signs with their feet as well? Perhaps Mark can fix this problem with cleaning staff just as easily.

Yes Parking Is Free After 4 PM.

Dodge — Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:30:15 -0400

That rule is for the whole beach public parking. Private lots follow suit for now.

It is true you cannot please everyone but no fees after 4pm should go a ways to appease the local crowd and that includes the ones that want to watch the sunset. Old age sometimes prevents the bicycle option and that is a big reason (among many) why local people might wish to drive to the lakefront. Having to deal with a 4 pm window might be a considered compromise since some of these same folks also get a tax bill that keeps going up and paid parking defrays some of it.

It is true that for the beach area south of 7th Street the administration of the beach parking bylaw is a question mark because the Town does not have jurisdiction. None of the discussion in this thread may ever apply there. Also it is for this reason that Town Council has called a halt to the improvements that were slated for the Sixth Street change rooms and washrooms. This was one of the places funds from last years parking income were designated to be spent. That halt seems a prudent move. However I noticed that beach raking and garbage pickup carries on so budget money is being spent. That will have to be recovered somewhere.

I think I will email the Saugeen

bub — Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:30:14 -0400

I think I will email the Saugeen First Nation to see why they are allowing the town to charge for parking when it is now clearly THEIR domain.....and I wont be paying a dime for parking along that beach, the rates for parking at Buffalo airport are 10 dollars a day...

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What the heck ARE the rules, anyway?

garym — Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:39:25 -0400

We now bike to the beach, at least until they slap a tithe on that access route and no, not nearly the daily trip that would delight the family as little as two years ago, but frequency aside, here's the interesting bit: what greets us each time we roll down 6th to the lakeshore is a tad perplexing: Right along side the 6th and Lakeshore beachhouse parking lot sits a patient friendly young parking ticket vendor, the live and in person kind, under the awning, just like in the long thought-lost days of yesteryear. And there's more: Said teen/twentier sits beneath a large sign proclaiming parking rates only in effect until 4PM. So, clearly, the late evening tax is limited and I am encouraged to see that the full-day cash-grab wasn't as blanket as first reported, but now I'm wondering just what is the rule. Is the all-daylight tax limited only to the Crowd Inn lot? Only to a certain stretch of Lakeshore? Only to the parking guarded by the cold Robot Sentinels? Is there any difference in the rates?

Are the full beach parking regulations posted anywhere?

For a very interesting encounter with Man-Machine interface studies, here's a fun exercise: Sit yourself down in the shaded bench outside the young Wunderlich's new pinball arcade and just watch the random demographic as it encounters The Parking Ticket Machine. Hilarious great good fun; we should run a Candid Camera on it!

Oh, and as for $15 for parking, Dodge you can raise it to $150 or $1500 if you like, because me and my crew are already blown out of the water. Don't much matter to us anymore. We haven't had a beach ice-cream, chips, latte, burger, beer, pizza or even a pop in so long, it's hard to remember what it was like, so we don't miss it. Are the sunsets still as pretty?

garym: ict evangelist - musician - whatever

Exemplary Example

garym — Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:19:23 -0400

Clearly an exemplary example of exemplary people: Quite apart from the logical fallacy that one anecdote doth not a trend make, this tale of "a (singular) car load of people only tells me that this is one carload of self-centered insensitive people whom I would rather not be visiting my delicately eco-balanced beach, and hence it is an emenently Good Thing that they have been pissed off and driven away.

and as for walking with young children in tow along the lakeshore in quest of wherever the sam hill it is where you get whatever the going rate of parking tithe might be, again, anecdote, this time of a supposition because I have such children and as a father I would never take that risk. Unless there would be a drive-through tickets-here gate such as done by the thoughtful people on the Saugeen side, and as was done in the pre-dune 6th-beachhouse days, I would just not do it, I'd either A. stop traffic as I pulled along side the youth-staffed tent to beg a sale through my window, or B. the more likely as evidenced by the copius parking opportunists and families struggling with beach gear on foot off the main path, I would not even bother, muttering under my breath, computing the relative costs to go to a nice beach like Red Bay or Lion's Head or Singing Sands or Whiskey Harbour or Oliphant or ...

garym: ict evangelist - musician - whatever

Parking Rate Should Be $15 - Put A Hold On The Beach Access Plan

Dodge — Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:37:54 -0400

I heard an interesting story on the weekend from one of the Lions Club members. Recently they were doing the annual road collection at Sauble where they stand with a bucket in the middle of the main road to collect donations.

A car load of people pulled up to one of the club members who held up his bucket. The driver lit into a tirade about the poor condition of the beach washrooms as though they expected first class service and blamed the poor guy standing there with the bucket for the lousy conditions. They then sped off without making a contribution to the bucket.

This is enough to illustrate to me that we have moved into an era where people who live within easy driving distance are beginning to expect that the municipality will service their needs at little or no cost. They expect a free ride. Wunderlich's petition described earlier in this thread is proof enough.

The Amabel days are long gone. Water under the bridge. It is time to start charging a realistic amount.

A parking attendant told me that the Catholic Church lot fills first before they get customers for beach parking. I think you could say the church is depriving the town of some much needed revenue. Perhaps they should put up a donation bucket of their own or better yet let the Lions collect the proceeds.

Another interesting bit, this time a legal opinion passed on to me. Since there are no sidewalks and people often with children in tow have to walk up to a couple hundred feet on a busy street to get parking passes and back to a vehicle and if they decide to follow the signs to walk to a beach access point, there is a huge traffic safety issue. If someone gets hit the liability will be on the Friends of Sauble Beach and the Town and it could be a big lawsuit.

Other service organizations would be best to distance themselves from the FOSB if they continue to try to stop the present widely distributed beach access. After the Trillum grants pay for the initial setup the costs of maintenance for the access systems are added to the tax bills and the net result of FOSB initiatives is a higher tax bill with liability risk.

I cannot recall any other situation where adult and child pedestrian traffic is routinely directed on to a road to share it with 2 way vehicle traffic by design and by direction through signage. Many people will describe difficulty just crossing the street when traffic is heavy.

This is a traffic planners nightmare. The beach access plan should be put on hold before someone gets hurt or worse.

Wunderlich for Ward 3

flytrap — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:01:38 -0400

Saw his signs on Sauble Parkway today, July 7th. Guess he has fast printer?

Obsessive Compulsive Black and White

garym — Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:56:18 -0400

It boggles my mind why voices in this debate feel compelled to go one way or the the other, no question, no compromise, my way or the highway. Just like seagulls scrapping over scraps, there is no common ground, no sense of Right Thought that could include any compassion for the other side. This or that, or go home.

Is it so terrible to offer free lakeshore angle parking while charging premium rates for the central lots and Main St core? Is that so unthinkable? Broken record that I am, I must skip back skip back skip back to to to saying saying saying saying again again again again again that this original parking proposal was to be a suppliment and thus even just ONE parking spot would be money we didn't have. There was no need for the highwaymen to some swarming in with their solar techno gear corning the market on all public (sic) parking spots, and all that this has accomplished really is to dump that high-maintenance damage-cost on to the surrounding property owners who now find their yards hemmed by parking opportunists, and into the psyches of the parents who now see their kids playing on streets where balls and frisbees must weave between parked cars and the street.

I say again, there was no need for this, and I say say say again again again the beach maintenance budge was already funded by Amabel-only ratepayers none of whom have been refunded for their share of the $321,000 that is now, as you allude, 'equitably' dispursed outside the old Amabel, into White Elephants of other domains. If anything, I think we have a situation here very like the Airport, one of needlessly escalating costs as we pour ever more energies into a receding goal of attracting business without ever asking why, if we are seeing any return on our investment, why then why then why why are the costs ever increasing?

I've been limo-rich and bankruptcy-poor and let me tell you a little secret I learned: Everyone thinks they are 'broke' and need 'more' to stay afloat. You make $10 more, you'll go get a treat for the kids, you make $1000 more and you'll start buying fresh instead of day-old, Zellers instead of Sally-Ann, you make $10,000 more and you'd be surprised how quickly sharks line up to tell you that you simply must try the veal it is to die for. It is damn difficult to manage finances frugally when there's actual portraits of prime ministers oggling back at you, and double plus difficult when it's just a score value on your Interac printout. Money dissolves like sugar in water, there is no saturation point, it just keeps going so long as it can get wet. And everyone says that nobody knows where it goes.

Cut the beach maintenance budget in half, I guarantee no one will die. No one. here's another allegory I will bet your mothers and grandmothers all know: time was you could have a county fair where the ladies could bake pies and the townsfolk could eat them. Mix in some money, some tourism daytrip traffic, some attention by authorities who smell money et voilà suddenly now you need the Health Department, you need a certified standards-compliant kitchen, you need need need need to buy buy buy buy ...

but you don't. do you. Look around, just over there, just beyond the borders of staid proper ontario, maybe just beyond either the tree line, the oceans or just the other side of the Mason-Dixon, and lo what do you find? People eating grandma's pies in public, no one dying of salmonilla, no one suing anyone if they do get a little quaesy from it. I remember such times here like they were yesterday, such times from Toronto are not so fresh in my mind.

So, I ask, what has changed? Why must we now fear what is not certified? Where did our Land of the Strong and Free go? When did we lose the ability and the right to simply be who we are, doing what we do, sharing our lives with each other?

A certain public works manager once told me, and this is truth that bears understanding, that these new breed of urban-refugees now snaffling up the $200k homes and $1500/week cottages are also bringing their urban expectations and this is putting an unnecessary and completely artificial financial pressure on our rural township as we desperately try to please these vocal (and, I'm told, too often obnoxious) newcomers. Sauble Beach is not Daytona, it is not even Grand Bend. It is Sauble Beach, and it was, in 1922 at least, a beautiful example of how humans could live with Nature without needing to rape it for a profit.

but as you say, times change. Get with it, Gary, go modern.

and the phrase hell in a handbasket most certainly comes to mind.

garym: ict evangelist - musician - whatever

paid parking and Mark Wunderlich

beendere — Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:31:39 -0400

of course...he is on the radio claiming it it a bad thing...but when will he take the time to read and understand that our tax dollars need to be used for so many other things..roads/lighting/ditches etc and it goes on....without generating monies from non traditional sources we will see our taxes rise..yes in the former Amabel the beach was taken care of but all costs have risen,.,.the very issue that Mark is so concerned about...gas prices affects this town..we cant always pay for the whole world to use the beach and not contribute How this will be an election issue is beyond me..maybe for those merchants who dont do well in the season..but last year the majority had a boom year and we collected monies to do the washroom upgrades and need not rely on tax dollars to do that...It is about time we realize that the world has changed..all major beaches charge..so why did we wait so long!

Low Parking Fees Contribute To Higher Taxes

Dodge — Wed, 05 Jul 2006 01:39:31 -0400

Mark Wunderlich says in a July 4 Owen Sound Radio News item he does not want to upset the tourists. How does this make taxes higher? Well giveaway parking fees are a good start on loading up the taxpayers with beach maintenance expenses. There is a previous discussion of fees in this thread. All Town of South Bruce Peninsula ratepayers pay for beach maintenance. Add in Wiarton Airport, Powerbud, Kirkland's "property developer donation" and a basketful of other mistakes and the burn rate gets visible. So do the bad optics going into the election. It all adds up. Now in the latest fiasco, $100,000 has been paid to renew the Water and Sewer EA and select a site for the Wastewater treatment plant at Sauble Beach. More money will be added later. There is a high risk that there will never be grant money available for this project. This is another big bill to come out of general revenue.

Mark Wunderlich's remarks are pretty clear here. This is a quote from today's Owen Sound Radio News:
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Paid Parking back at Sauble Beach July 4 2006
Written by Jenn Kelland
If you want to park along the Lakeshore at Sauble Beach this summer --be prepared to pay for it. New paid-parking rules are in effect now until September. It will cost five dollars a day, or fifty dollars for the season for a spot close to the beach.

South Bruce Peninsula Councillor Mark Wunderlich says that's too much -- Wunderlich was NOT in favour of parking fees at all when the issue came before council in January.

Wunderlich says on top of high gas prices, parking fees could upset tourists. Wunderlich adds he expects paid parking in Sauble could be an election issue in the fall -- although he's not sure if he'll be running for re-election. He says in just two weeks last year over five-hundred people signed a petition against the fees.

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Well of course 500 people signed, why pay for it when you can get it free. He is running his signs are up. Election issue? Is he running on a mandate to make parking free? Interesting strategy if he could keep the true costs to taxpayers out of the picture until after the election. Some people might even think he will save them money with free parking.

I see we have a Husak running for Council now in Sauble. You can bet there is a strategy in place to keep business interests in control of Council and ratepayers paying their bills. It all seems a little too obvious and this will be the real election issue.

Vanishing ROI

garym — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:30:55 -0400

"... the property owners in Mallory Beach or Hope Bay or Red Bay don't like paying outright in taxes for beach maintenance at Sauble ...

And I say again because it keeps getting overlooked: Amabel taxpayers were already covering this cost before amalgamation, so, like, where did this money up and go all of a sudden? Presto chango, out of our pockets and poof, some slick trick of the rhetoric if you ask me.

However I will grant you your excellent point about the escalating costs involved with wooing the tourism dollar. Some may mark my words from a decade back when I said

to get the sort of tourist traffic we'd need to sustain our economy will trample this place

We looked at Wasaga, with it's crime and prices, and we said uh uh. Not our cup of tea, quite frankly, and, just as frankly, I resent our being compared to Wasaga; that beach is an easy commute from Markham, rife with daytrippers from Canada's largest metropolis and they got what they deserved in their bid for fame and glory. This place, on the other hand, seemed sensible.

And largely, it is. It is only that Tragedy of the Commons argument that allows a small group to usurp the common goods and exploit this for their own needs. You see, it's basic economics, if you subscribe to those theories, because those theories say that if you invest, there should be a return on investment that will more than compensate for the investment. Spend more on your beach, the extra revenue says solid business sense, will cover the added overhead. Simple, basic, elementary business plan.

Just as simple and basic is the corrollary: if the investment is costing more than it returns, it's time to dump the investment, and move on.

So don't give me any BS about oh, it just goes with the added business traffic from promoting the beach because this is a simple simple simple business equation. If the expansions are costing more than the returns, it's time to get out of that business, look for some investment which does return more than it costs to run.

And back to parking and the two tier system and so-called special perks for residents, we might do well to be mindful of what the Buddhists call Right Vocation which in its essence admits, as you put it, that you can't please everyone, but additionally posits that nonetheless, compassion means being aware of those who are put out by the decision, and moving to minimize their hardship. An exclusive contract on access is hardly what one might call compassionate, even when just compared to the retrospectively more fair rules in place during the previous summer season.

One of my neighbours has already put their place up for sale. Two reasons, one cash in on the apparent boom before anyone notices that it's a puffed-up bubble and two, he says, it's getting way to much like a suburb around here.

After all, I don't know about Wunderlich and Noble, but we moved here to escape suburbs ... not to be among the sidelined founding families of a new one.

garym: ict evangelist - musician - whatever

Tax Law of Diminishing Returns

garym — Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:31:34 -0400

Out at the postbox, noticed the latest installment due window envelope from the town office. A neighbour passing by said, "yeah, just wait until you see it ...

crikey!!! a $200 hike???

Says the wife, "How is that possible?" and I said, "easy: it's because of all the extra revenue from the parking fees!"

and then she repeats her question and I said, "exactly"

garym: ict evangelist - musician - whatever

How Do We Fare

Dodge — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:40:57 -0400

$50 is a gift. So is the daily rate. Parking passes are usually plastic tags that can be transferred between vehicles.

Besides beach maintenance visitors generate extra costs for taxpayers for police, fire and emergency services, street maintenance and traffic control services and a wealth of other things you never consider such as increased municipal administration costs. These costs increase directly with beach promotion schemes such as Blue Flag which brings in more visitors. Now the town wants to add more washrooms and there is a maintenance expense related to them which also adds to the limited capacity of Wiarton's sewage treatment plant. Oxenden and Mallory Beach don't want this kind of end product from Sauble Beach in Colpoys but it looks like there will be more if this endless spiral of promotion and with it need for more services does not stop. Beach expenses will go higher. Think about that next time you see an increase in the police services budget.

I don't know the revenue vs expense numbers at Wasaga but back home I bet the property owners in Mallory Beach or Hope Bay or Red Bay don't like paying outright in taxes for beach maintenance at Sauble. Why should they? Yet they are forced into it because their interests do not have enough votes in Council.

At Wasaga Beach they have their act together for municipal parking. They don't fool with the idea of trying to sort out the two groups of beach users, those who pay property taxes and those who free ride. That is where the balance you seek lies it makes the beach user pay more and lets the taxpayer off the hook. Give up on entitlement during the high season even the Owen Sound repeaters can outnumber the cottagers and the crowds come from cities to the south within an easy day's drive. At Wasaga they just set the fare high and start collecting.

Town of South Bruce Peninsula has tried to appease all stakeholders and in the end satisfied none. Part of the problem can be laid at the feet of Kirkland and Wunderlich who schemed to have the daily rate lowered to $5 at the last minute with a petition (easily collected anytime) presented at the time of the vote on the change. It was a clear case of businessmen protecting their interests at a direct cost to the residential ratepayers. This even went against local advisory input. Balance? It was off balance from the start.

Annual fees (from the Wasaga parking bylaw):
18. The licence fee for such parking permit shall be Three Hundred ($300.00) Dollars;
19 The parking permit shall be valid in all municipal parking lots from the 1st day of May until the 15th day of September for the year of issue.

And for daily rates it is $16.00 for 8 hours, $24 for 12 hours etc, street or lot:
1. No person shall park a vehicle, on a highway or part of
highway as listed below, between the hours of 7:00 a.m. one day to 2:00 a.m. the next day, daily, unless the driver
such vehicle deposits in the Parking Meter provided for the parking space the sum of one twenty-five (25) cent coin
each (7:30) seven minutes and 30 seconds, for each parking space used or deposits in the Parking Ticket Dispenser provided for the parking space the sum of four dollars ($4.00) for the first two (2) hours and deposits the sum
one twenty-five (25) cent coin for each (7:30) seven minutes and 30 seconds thereafter, for each parking space used.

Double-Taxing Residents

garym — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:30:14 -0400

Afraid I will give my pass to my visitors? Oh please: Make it a window sticker. Then I'd have to give them my car, and if I give them my car, you think I'll let them hand it to the next group next hour, and the next on the next? Put bluntly, not likely.

Thing is, I am already paying a beach tax, because the beach has always cost Amabel ratepayers for the maintenance, and it was maintained before parking came into effect, ergo, tax money collected from only Amabel ratepayers was already covering the costs, even if only just barely or nearly. To instigate parking fees for residents, even, and I doubt anyone here knows this, but even for the 'discount' (sic) $50 "resident pass" that I heard tell of today, this is, nonetheless, an additional tax added to my share of the $361,000 already paid in my municipal tax. That means your high-maintenance tourists pay only once, whereas those of us who must live here with this beach and thus disrespect it at our own peril, we are taxed twice for the executive priviledge of using what is, in truth, Common Property.

There is no 'town'. That's doublespeak and you know it. The incorporation of a municipality creates a legal entity, but it does not create a new sentient being to lord over the lands. It is a community co-operative corporation, a means to manage the common assets of the member ratepayers. What we have here is certain folk who, as happens in this system of Property Law, make a non-sequiteur jump of logic to say they now 'own' the property and that this gives them rights to bully anyone off of it that they choose.

But dig, council did not make this beach. The Saugeen people did not make this beach, the Great White Chiefs of Ottawa did not make this beach and neither did Queen Victoria; not one of them could make a single grain of sand, and yet here they all are, lining up flouting an inflated authority to retain elite access rights to the beach. Got coin in your pocket? C'mon in the water's fine. Down on your luck? well you should be bloody used to walking some extra blocks then.

sigh -- is this what Canada means?

There was no need to inflict this current grab. The money collected is not saving lives, it is extra pocket money to be spent on extra things, like a nicer washroom for those high maintenance day-tripped visitors, to make them a little more welcome, not to take the sting out of having their car impounded. Extra money. Extra. Having paid parking in strategic places, sure, in that lot by the washrooms, by the changeroom at 6th, and at a reasonable rate, not at the highest prices short of a hospital lot (which is another rant to tell). And over reasonable hours, peak hours, to encourage distributed use of the facilities.

But it's not, is it. You tell me again, with a straight face, how you think this whole thing is fair and balanced.
I dare you.

garym: ict evangelist - musician - whatever

Paid Parking at Sauble?

sabrinus — Thu, 19 May 2005 10:47:18 -0400

OK, so SBP council, in their wisdom, have decided to charge downtown Toronto rates to park along Lakeshore. What the!!! Paid parking at Sauble will be a disaster.

You just know what is going to happen here folks. There are going to be cars parked ALL OVER HELL"S HALF ACRE. Ten Bucks! What the!!!

There are going to be some real safety issues here. I worry about little children especially. There will be cars parked along both sides of narrow streets up from the Beach, effectively making some streets one-lane thoroughfares.

Our native vegetation is going to take a hit too. Cars will be parked where no cars should be parked.

Our ONE bylaw officer is going to be a busy, busy man this year. Poor Lyle!

On a refreshing note, councillor Wunderdich actually voted against the parking idea, but no reason as to why he voted against was given. So we don't yet know his motivation this time around.

In a perverted way, it is somewhat reassuring to know that stupidity and greed are not the sole domain of our Federal politicians!

:-)

This will be a MOST interesting summer at the Beach.

Council to give paid parking a trial run at beach ... $10 a park

Wednesday May 18, 2005

Wiarton Echo â€” In an 8-1 vote, South Bruce Peninsula council agreed to a trial project that will introduce paid parking at Sauble Beach.

South Bruce Peninsular - Paid Parking at Sauble? - Comments

Imagine Sidewalks Curbs and Streetlights

More On Parking From Mark

Yes Parking Is Free After 4 PM.

I think I will email the Saugeen

What the heck ARE the rules, anyway?

Exemplary Example

Parking Rate Should Be $15 - Put A Hold On The Beach Access Plan

Wunderlich for Ward 3

Obsessive Compulsive Black and White

paid parking and Mark Wunderlich

Low Parking Fees Contribute To Higher Taxes

Vanishing ROI

Tax Law of Diminishing Returns

How Do We Fare

Double-Taxing Residents

Paid Parking at Sauble?

Council to give paid parking a trial run at beach ... $10 a park

Wednesday May 18, 2005 Wiarton Echo â€” In an 8-1 vote, South Bruce Peninsula council agreed to a trial project that will introduce paid parking at Sauble Beach.

Wednesday May 18, 2005

Wiarton Echo â€” In an 8-1 vote, South Bruce Peninsula council agreed to a trial project that will introduce paid parking at Sauble Beach.