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 <title>Educators ask HP ... for Linux</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s because, as educators, they are SUPPOSED to be smart, and so it stands to reason they would make smart demands from their IT vendor of choice ...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;cite class=&quot;blog-source&quot;&gt;&quot;HP listened to our needs and now is delivering a product designed by education for education.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It may sound odd for HP to take its first step into Linux by way of education, but there is money to be made in the education vertical. Lenovo Director of Software Strategy Debra Kobs-Fortner said, for example, that Lenovo had seen its best business so far for its Linux-powered ThinkPads in the American education market.&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;i class=&quot;blog-source&quot;&gt;[ &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4606695125.html&quot;&gt;HP releases its first Linux-powered laptop&lt;/a&gt; ]&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mind you, not everyone is so sharp: Nicholas Negroponte accused free software advocates of being &quot;open source fundamentalists&quot; and said open source software &quot;hampered usability&quot; and &quot;scared developers&quot;, and thus ordered the &lt;acronym title=&quot;one laptop per child&quot;&gt;OLPC&lt;/acronym&gt; XO to downgrade back to Windows; Richard Stallman still hopes old Nick might yet see the light and turn his turn-around around before he blunders it asunder:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;cite class=&quot;blog-source&quot;&gt;Those who have supported the OLPC project with their effort or their money may well feel betrayed. However, those concerns are dwarfed by what is at stake here: whether the XO is an influence for freedom or an influence for subjection.&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;i class=&quot;blog-source&quot;&gt;[ &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/can-we-rescue-olpc-from-windows&quot;&gt;Can we rescue OLPC from Windows?&lt;/a&gt; ]&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;signature&quot;&gt;garym: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.teledyn.com&quot;&gt;ict evangelist&lt;/a&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://justus.teledyn.com/&quot; title=&quot;Just Us&quot;&gt;musician&lt;/a&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.teledyn.com/&quot; title=&quot;Have blog, will travel&quot;&gt;whatever&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 18:06:43 -0400</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>garym</dc:creator>
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 <title>Question..</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Is there still a fund for helping out the young ones to make sure they have a full stomach before school??If so..someone please post about it.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:10:40 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>bub</dc:creator>
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 <title>addendum</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt; uhmm.. Ahem...to the little fella/gal that posted Mr. Holgate as the best teacher and should run for President.....mmmm maybe a little refresher course on Canada???  :)&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:56:10 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>bub</dc:creator>
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 <title>Good Point Laurie</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;  Good point Laurie.Parents come into the equation of education as well, and education does not end at school. While we are all tired after a day of work, its in our best interests as parents, and in the interests of the kids, to get them involved in activities as you mentioned. I&#039;d add further to the list, Tai Chi, Karate, even night school or summer school computer labs. I know that there is a lack of older teenage things to do, and all of us were teens and there is nothing new under the bridge about this, but we still must be there and know what they are doing, guide along the way if you will.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have heard nothing but good things about the teachers at Amabel, now..Gary left this fun link once..  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;http://canada.ratemyteachers.com/&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
Its sad to hear about lack of the wiarton willie involvement, I was a bit shocked when I watched CBC news and the headlines were all about the American Phil, a little blurb on the east coast rodent, and a flashing glimpse of our Willie..and even then I swear the pic was from last year.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:49:43 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>bub</dc:creator>
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 <title>lets discuss education and cubs</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Laurie R.P.NÂ  I agree education is very important&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Â and no hidden agenda&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Â ,Ggood point Bub things do have to change &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and it starts in our community, we need to get &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;involved and start caring for our neighbours &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;,our children! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;300 plus children go to Amabel sauble school&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Â with my son and there are many excellent&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Â teachers like Mrs. Stewart. The teachers can&#039;t do&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Â it alone. My son goes to cubs at Â Zion church &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;every tues night and guess what only 6 kids attend&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;. thats disgracefull.! Children learn so much from&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Â cubs.guieds,scouts. We car pool children,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Â Hockey has a conflict with that night and even&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Â the cub master would change itÂ  if there was&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Â enough support. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is ecanomical the children learnÂ  morals&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Â values skills that last a life time.Â  nobody cares.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I went to Wiarton Willie pancake breakfast with&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Â my family. How many local people took up the &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;challenge to show their children community spirit,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Â community values . only a handfull. nobody cares&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;. Have a nice day laurie&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2005 23:11:24 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Laurie watkins</dc:creator>
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 <title>Band &amp; Label Site Blunders</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;I notice with some glee that the Number One Rule is (hey billy, listen up) anti-Flash, and I&#039;d exempt the search rule since Google does it so much better, but at the least very bottom line of it, having made the Blogdexings, I can see word is finally g&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:22:25 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>TeledyN (trackback)</dc:creator>
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 <title>Ill up the ante</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Tell you what..take up Gary on his offer..and everyone who does..he will keep track..and I will buy the beer.Now..whats stopping you?&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:48:14 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>bub</dc:creator>
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 <title>Got &#039;em if ya need &#039;em</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;And as one of the few full-timers out here sitting on a broadband pipe, if anyone wants to take Bub&#039;s words to heart and even just &lt;i&gt;try&lt;/i&gt; a copy of OpenOffice.org&#039;s kit (word processor, spreadsheet, database, presenter, illustration kit ...) for Windows or even for Linux or Mac, let me know, I have the disks here and it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;free software&lt;/i&gt; so there&#039;s nothing at all illegal about my burning an extra copy for you.  Same deal goes for anyone afterÂ  any of about half a dozen different Linux kits, whether that&#039;s workhorse RedHat, the user-friendly Mandrake 10.1 (&lt;i&gt;Official just released today!&lt;/i&gt;) or one of the no-install LiveCD kits like Morphius or Knoppix; what I don&#039;t have, I can probably pull of the net for you for about the cost of a beer ...
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&lt;div class=&quot;signature&quot;&gt;garym: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.teledyn.com&quot;&gt;ict evangelist&lt;/a&gt; - &lt;a title=&quot;Just Us&quot; href=&quot;http://justus.teledyn.com/&quot;&gt;musician&lt;/a&gt; - &lt;a title=&quot;Have blog, will travel&quot; href=&quot;http://blog.teledyn.com/&quot;&gt;whatever&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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 <pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:18:43 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>garym</dc:creator>
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 <title>Lets be great</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Lets be great.Greatness isnt saying it cannot be done, or it shouldnt be done, nor its impossible to be done.Greatness is lets see how it can be done.Greatness is saying, Id rather see our children learning music and enjoying sports, than doing without, thanks to license fees.Greatness is you.Just as in days gone by..years ago...no farmer/settler/native fisher would ever sit by and say oh..you said this so I cannot do that.They did /THAT/. Step up to the plate, be a leader, put your influence in any way it may be..to help the kids...with no fees to software.Think of it...the amount payed for those fees, would buy new up to date computers in every classroom.Listen to the voices in your area.....share and share alike.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2004 02:36:00 -0500</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>bub</dc:creator>
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 <title>Things have to change</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Things have got to change.We can argue and we can throw figures at each other..and we can hire other people to be hired guns, but the best is to talk..discuss..with NO-ONE that has another motive.No hidden agendas..nothing but what is right, and what can be done.&lt;br /&gt;
Im talking about education , and not how it is taught, nor how it is underfunded..but just a small portion of the funds..that are increasingly turning into a larger portion.Fees.Fees for using computers and propriatary software.Even if you get the /discount/ that is offeredâ€¦its way too much.Can we look at alternate software?Open source..free of fees?Lets talk GNU and Linux.Almost any program you can name..has an free open source alternative..you like Office? Try Open Office or Koffice you like Paintshop/Photoshop? Try Gimp.You want support? Try THOUSANDS the world over that know it..not just a few as in the status quo.Easy? you betâ€¦its all about will.The will to spend those precious dollars on what really countâ€¦the children.I just want you all to read this link  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kaivo.org/Kaivo/Ampari/T_kolme/?page=C_elementaryLinuxPenguinsInSchool&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; now also read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.teledyn.com/node/475&quot;&gt; here &lt;/a&gt;.To the trustees..and school board powers that be..have an open mind..donâ€™t swallow the old psychobabble from salesmen..that make money..I have nothing to gain from this at all..except helping see the money goes where it should..our number one priority..the children..our future..and it is within our grasp to help them get there.Lets make our minds as open as the software..and our future can be.Share and share alike.Lets show the world that being isolated from the /big/ city doesnâ€™t mean being snookered.Lets talk..and do.&lt;/p&gt;
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