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the insurance analogy

wayne tanner — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:34:30 -0400

When I 1st started this process with the OLRB I can remember the call I got from the "intake guy" where he was tying to convince me to drop the application cuz "no one ever wins these things" and you don't want your name all over (canlii) the web, you know how that will make you look"
It reminds me of the insurance companies where they weed out a few on the 1st round by simply saying nope , if they insist on being stubborn they up the pressure, set unreasonable timelines or legalese "spin" and weed out a few more.
If by chance they run into the small percentage of "insane" people who acts like the kid who keeps asking "why" to a series of questions, They simply say let say he burnt his own house down and drag out the investigation till he starves for a while, he'll settle for 1/3 or a 1/4 of what we should pay. And if we run into a real gem we'll create a system if you are willing to spend mucho denarios, far above what you would get in return for a settlement, which goes toward the stereo upgrade on a lawyers BMW, we may have to pay attention to you.
Simply haveing all your ducks in a row, showing them the facts on paper and presenting a reasonable case isn't enough.
So government has learned from insurance companies.
You are paying for the service and by law you have to pay for the service (taxes) , but gawd forbid if you fight something and use the services provided, you will endure the penalties and costs and according to the OLRB the personal shame of actually having to use the service.
On a related note an honest and sincere letter to the editor was in the Sun Times regarding the BWDSB debacle in trying to convince the masses they are being honest in regards to the class set up for grade 7- 8. Send a letter to the Ministry of Education, help these poor demented and obvious scurges of society out. Those pathetic sad individuals which deserve our pity should be humoured and as therapy a show of support may just do that...
Nothing changes unless one "looney" or S... D....... is not afraid to look a little odd and absorb some flak or grief.
They count on this to weed them out....
wt

Hyperjumps in Hoopland

garym — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:14:24 -0400

This all really reminds me of the whole Chris Radzinski Wiarton Chlorine-dioxide scandal; Chris was desperate for some traction, ran through the hoops, just wanted the truth to be known, and now we hear there is going to be some sort of official look-see into it, not because of Chris going the normal channels, but because one of those judiciously ignored testimonials on chlorine-damage just happened to originate from a woman who now just happens to be the mayor of said victim town in the affair.

Have you talked to the appropriate political representatives yet? I mean, that's what we pay them to do, to intercede on our behalf when the grindstones of governance run afoul, and we have at least one MPP who's often on the awkward side of policy, and a mayor who knows the Castle Rules first hand.

And we are, after all, peers. That is the whole point of our systems of government. They are not elite aristocrats or blue-blood barons, they are regular everyday people with mortgages and weekly garbage pickup. So they are approachable, all of them. It has also been my experience that the underlings are payed to keep things from their uppers, and will stop at nothing to do so. The best route to the action-button is the direct route to where the buck stops.

And I don't know about the current Prime Minister, but with the last one, all you had to do is to pry open a window and go ask him.

garym: ict evangelist - musician - whatever

I guess it is a guy thing

wayne tanner — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:53:22 -0400

You know the old saying that men will not stop and ask for directions. So I am thinking the internet also falls under that stigma as bigoted a comment as that is.. But here I am so I hope they don't rescind my "Man membership Card"
I have looking around for information/procedures/forms and case histories regarding initiating a Judicial review in regards to a government agencies decision.

My wifes says the clearest indication of insanity is to keep trying the same thing and hopeing for a different result.

that being said:)

But for those who know me and the "situation" know I have what should be an open and shut case and yet going through the proper channels has proved frustrating and may I say a little "tilted".
Being objective and trying not to sound "insane" the government agency involved asks for evidence and never appears to read it and I really wonder if the person involved had the right file in front of them when they come back with a decision.